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March 27th, 2012 Leave a comment Go to comments

I am not talking about a pot roast.  I am talking about the most popular coverage on TV.  Yes, I will weigh in and regret talking about the very sad Trayvon Martin story that has gone viral in the media and in town across the nation — drawing the likes of Sharprton  and Jesse  and every other opportunist on the left or right.

There are no winners in this.  A young man was killed on the streets by a untrained citizen cop.  That isn’t justice.  The local establishment should be castigated for providing such predictable environment for overdone.

But, the young man was as culpable as the rest.   In part, it is the old two to tango story.  It was your typical bar style fight on steroids.  The kid hit Mr. Zimmerman — a “volunteer security patrolmen.”  He then jumped on him and beat him while he was down.  That leads to fear for life.  There is a witness and there are the facial marks to confirm.

But, overdone is overdone.   The kid should have ended up in jail and not a morgue.  Facts that should have come out in court will not.  I don’t claim it would have but it sure had a better chance.  Law enforcement doesn’t always get it right.  An untrained or supervised axillary compounds failing.  But, there is a chance that  can all be corrected — unless people are dead.

Best thing that can happen is we all get smarter.  I sure haven’t.  I wrote about this mess.

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  1. March 27th, 2012 at 12:43 | #1

    I am reminded of a story that Artie Lange told about his aunt or uncle or something. The story goes his relative once said “All I know is the jews must have done something pretty awful to get Hitler that pissed off at them.”
    People are scrambling to find justification for an armed man to follow, track down, confront, shoot and kill an unarmed teenager who committed the crime of being black in his neighborhood.
    People are upset because Zimmerman wasn’t arrested. And the story would have ended there if people had not gotten involved. No investigation, just another black kid caught in the wrong place. Bad luck. Life goes on.
    Stop trying to blame the victim. He can’t defend himself. HE’S DEAD. He SHOULD NOT BE DEAD. There’s nothing could have done on facebook that means he deserves to be DEAD. There’s probably nothing he could have done with a hoodie and a bag of skittles that means he deserves to be dead either, especially against an armed man.
    And there’s no excuse the guy wasn’t arrested. That’s why people are pissed off and the story has gone viral. Not because a black kid got killed or whether he deserved it or not. They’re pissed off because if nobody had gotten pissed off, nothing would have happened.

  2. March 27th, 2012 at 12:46 | #2

    I haven’t been keeping up with the news (because of the bridge tournament), but I do know that you are right about this thing being a big mess — a sad, big mess, actually.

  3. March 27th, 2012 at 13:12 | #3

    DB, we aren’t far apart in our view.

    That he is not under arrest isn’t a bad thing. Police often turn sticky cases over to the prosecutor to act on. That isn’t unusual. The man was battered. There is an indication that he was attacked. So, you don’t arrest and continue the investigation as due process and innocent until proven guilty require. That is how it works in so many other cases that aren’t spotlighted like this is.

    Lets step back and let it all come out. Not only is the local prosecutor going to be involved but the media hype has moved it faster — not better … faster — to involving state and federal prosecutors. Note that while the heat is on local. Holder and Justice haven’t seen the need to seek a federal warrant at this point which could have him arrested. It now needs to play out properly. His currently not being in jail isn’t an exoneration attempt as so many claim.

  4. March 27th, 2012 at 21:54 | #4

    I certainly prefer to wait to hear the entire story. It is certainly tragic that a young man was killed. I hate to see all the activists jumping on the bandwagon without knowing all the details. Of course, they don’t care what really happened anyway.

  5. dugglebogey
    March 28th, 2012 at 22:42 | #5

    i hate this argument but i’m going to use it.

    if a black guy shot an unarmed white kid, do you think the police would wait for the prosecutor to decide whether the guy should be arrested before they arrested the guy? Arrested doesn’t  mean convicted and it certainly doesnt mean guilty. Arreted means you were involved in a pretty shady occurrence, and i don’t know anyone that thinks this wasn’t a  terrible occurrence.
     
     especially with the latest info that Zimmerman was pristine at the time of his police statement on video, that he didn’t go to the hospital and that witnesses were coached by the police to say they heard Zimmerman cry for help.

  6. March 29th, 2012 at 05:48 | #6

    Well, we now see he was brought into jail in handcuffs.  But that is about all we really know.   You are saying a lot of things that are closer to wishes than fact.   Due process and presumed innocence seem to have left your thought processes.

    As to the cop-out argument you hate, let be honest.  You are talking about racial bias.  We all have a degree of it.  Bobby Rush in a hoodie on the evening new demonstrated a version.   Everybody jumps to conclusions; our brains are wired for it.   The more successful wait until more facts arrive to act.   If you want to talk bias, revue your comments. 

    I have never said anything about anyone’s guilt or innocence.  I don’t know.  Neither do the people yelling what they think happened.  There is no video.  Nobody involved has spoken.  CSI didn’t fly in from Vegas.  And, you and everybody in the marches are playing star chamber.

    P.S. Last nights evening news had an 80 year old, black, convicted felon, tavern owner shooting a teenage kid breaking into his bar for booze. He was arrested and then release on his personal recognizance. These things happened every day. The person is a flight risk and the county’s budget doesn’t need another inmate. (That didn’t keep the media from interviewing his neighbors screaming about what was or wasn’t fair.) And, Illinois doesn’t have a stand-your-ground law or much in the way of gun rights. Shit happens.

    P.P.S. Pristine Face? I’ve heard of pristine forests. Don’t believe there are any. Let me share a word phrase with you — negative connotation.

  7. March 30th, 2012 at 10:06 | #7

    But that makes my point. Self defense is a legal defense, not an excuse to keep you from getting arrested. If you shoot someone you get arrested, and at your trial you can claim self defense. A grand jury can refuse to indict. But it is an affirmative defense, so it should never keep you from being arrested. 
     
    The tavern owner was not even using the “stand your ground” argument. 31 states have that law. Every state has a “castle defense” law that says you don’t have to retreat from your own property.
     
    Zimmerman was not, and still has never been arrested. He shot a man to death on Feb 26 and has never been in custody.

  8. March 30th, 2012 at 12:41 | #8

    The difference in the two that I was pointing out was the existence of prima facie evidence in the one and not in the other.

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